Spiral Dynamics - Stage Blue
By Leo Gura - June 18, 2018 | 34 Comments
Understanding the Absolutist stage of psychological development
Xain says: Development is a myth
Xain says: Not to mention there is no such thing as spiritual development.
Also you don’t understand how evolution works.
Kain says: So in your understanding about evolution there is no such thing as a”governing”principle that made the occurrence of your beloved “Evolution” possible in the first place?
You would simply give credit to Chance & Chaos or whatever you think it is?
And what is Chance? What is Chaos made out of?
What are the bones of your beloved creatures made out of? What is matter made out of?
I smell blue… and a little bit of (st)atheist in this shoe…
Xain says: No. The way evolution is isn’t like some sort of ladder, there are no “steps”. It’s a haphazard process by which some organisms pass on their genes. It literally is chance and chaos. To think evolution is a ladder is simply misinterpreting what it is, it is mostly a web of diverging paths.
Chaos is not “made” of anything but more to describe systems with high degrees of variance and little predictability. Chance is more about knowledge as it implies an outcome that one cannot control or predict. Like a deck of cards. Perhaps a few sharks can lessen the degree of variability but for most it’s really just random. To ask what they are made of would be to ask the wrong questions.
Bones are comprised of cells, which are made of atoms, which are made of smaller subatomic particles. That’s what matter is made of. Anything smaller than that is beyond my knowledge since I am not a physics major.
I don’t get what you stand to gain by asking such things since asking what matter is ultimately made off (at the most base level) doesn’t change our ability to manipulate it. Also your questions seem to suggest you don’t really get science.
I choose atheism because it is honest. I know people are scared and easily swayed by comforting answers but at least atheism tells me they aren’t convinced by arguments and that they don’t know. I am also somewhat convinced that spirituality is really just a concept or construct we made up to cope with existence. There is a chance that chaos and “chance” are just constructs of our minds, but maybe these are real phenomenon and we just give them words.
Personally though, questions like “why is there something instead of nothing” are a waste of time. The answer would not really change anything.
If anything is blue it’s Leo and this site. He’s really biased against materialism and I suspect because he doesn’t like it’s implications. So far it has worked out for me to explain reality. And no, quantum physics doesn’t debunk it.
Xain says: It’s also telling that you direct your extreme question towards science and materialism but not spirituality or nonduality. Radical skepticism works both ways. But spirituality tries to dodge such questions behind subjectivity and experience, which Pyrrho said are reasons to doubt such claims.
In essence, radical skepticism leads to having nothing to stand on as ultimately something has to be based on no justification. Thing is science uses faith as a starting point, and so far it has worked rather well.
As I said again, I don’t underestimate the ability of humans to craft their reality. This leaves me skeptical of those who say that they have found “it”.
I also can’t help but feel your questions are just splitting hairs.
Kain says: for one directing questions as such against spirituality and nonduality is like
Kain says: Leo Wtf?
“Invalid Message: Special Characters Not Allowed”
I have remove all “special characters”..
How shall i have a discussion with Xain and convert him to spirituality, if your website throws rocks at me ?
Xain says: It doesn’t work for mobile or else you get the error.
Also there is not a “for one” when directing such questions against spirituality and nonduality. The state of nonduality does not prove the teachings it is a result of them.
But again, you are proving my point about questioning. dodging inconvenient aspects just like other humans do. It’s like when Leo applied Pyrrhonism only against science and materialism unaware that doing so against his own views would yield the same results.
YOu aren’t that different from the church that handwaves criticism.
Paul says: Hi Leo, this was very dense and full of eye opening material, As I watched and heard, as you spoke, I noticed some of the ‘Blue’ aspects inside me, especially taking one for the team, but also a sense of honor backed by guilt, or a sense of judgmental-ism also back by guilt, what you speak on resonates with me as I also come from an even more ‘Blue’ past, growing up home-schooled and strictly christian, programmed with certain beliefs about God, the world, people, and myself that I have struggled to overcome. I see that there is more to work on! I have not worked through it all. I am excited to see and hear the next five stages you will speak on, in past moments in my life, or even prolonged periods of time I can look back and see just how ‘Blue’ I was, and can also see areas of my life that continue with parts of that mindset.
great content as per usual, glad your’e back!
Paul
Xain says: And now you are being programmed with a different set of beliefs.
There aren’t any “blue” aspects or even spiral dynamics. It’s all made up, an arbitrary set of categories that someone made up. It/they are not real. There are no stages.
You are merely trading a belief set for another.
Max the know better says: There’s no fooling you, eh, Xain. I can’t label you except for your nihilism, since you think it’s the only truth, what I think is that only pessimism is the truth, everything else is fairy tales.
Xain says: Only utter nihilism is the truth. Anything else is just living in the dream.
Grapes says: Give it a rest Xain, you’re going round in circles, and you’re dry dry dry!
steph says: Unfortunately you still got it wrong about people’s motivations not voting for Obama – not all of them but a big portion. Please take a deeper look into this or why people voted for Trump – many of these voters are not in stage blue. Understand their real motivations – there is excellent info out there that goes quite deep, but you have to dig a bit and come out of that biased “liberal” bubble.
Mike says: @Xain Why dont you make videos then? If you are so against leo and his insights/beliefs/content. ? I do agree with you that utter nihilism is the truth but still..
Julie says: Lovely piece of work. You’re covering hard and emmotive subject. Well done. It was so hard to listen to this without passing judgment though.
I’m about to watch the next one, but all i can think is so glad i’m not blue! Fail!
Grapes says: Try growing up with blue parents when you’re turquoise – sob!
Leo, loving your series on spiral dynamics. I already knew the theory but you have really made it come to life and fleshed it out, well done.
One point though – please try to be more balanced in your examples of individuals – and bring more women into the equation and perhaps use female pronouns from time to time…
Alessandra says: Hi Leo, this is the first time I leave a comment in your videos but it’s been years I follow your website and I really love your content. It changed my life!
I found Spiral Dynamics very illuminating and I won’t think the same way anymore! So the fact is that I am dating a very blue guy (Jehova witness) and I am facing the difficulty of penetrating his mind and let him use his critical thinking. Do you have a specific video to suggest me that can help me being more effective or WILL YOU EVER MAKE A VIDEO ON THE BIBLE? …where you explain where it comes from and why we shouldn’t follow it word by word. I know that you have already created a video explaining where religions come from but when it comes to the Bible it is difficult to bring up a good argument with someone that believe in it so much.
THANK YOU WITH ALL MY HEART!
Ale
From age 25 till now, I dated but focused on careers and making money. At age 47, I’m a Park Ranger and my job requires me to stay in shape so I tend to still attract women, often late twenty year olds.
I’m fortunate to be able to have a nice retirement set up for the future and currently enjoy a comfortable lifestyle. I’ve never had any longterm interest in women but after an off and on relationship I do have a ten year old. I have a great friendship with the mother and enjoy every minute I have with my daughter, we often hang out as a group. I see women I once knew bitter and divorced as I live my life casually. I’ve had a lot of talks with women over the years and the majority had an agenda of where they were supposed to be at age 30s and 40s. I also saw when I was in my twenties so many women wasting time, money etc on “having fun” as I worked my butt off. I guess they found out the hard way that the party always ends. I can’t imagine gaining anything from being married. I think a lot of men think this way now.
If women want to date a man their own age, they should lock down a good man when they’re 22
It’s easier to find Mister Good-enough with fresh eggs than Mister Right after the chicken no longer lays.
Vernon Barber
I was 54 and she was 27. One of the best times of my life.Have been single for 20yrs
All men want wemon in there 20s or younger.
the guys her age are dating the young twenty year olds… Just like when she was 20 years old they would date her
AMERICAN GIRL
Believes in freedom of choice,Extremely individualistic independent like to be different from each other All types of religions Speak many languages from all over the world Likes personal space around them Talk easily to homeless people but use good judgement are careful with whom they talk Wears strange clothes has ear simple yet elegant piercings informal call by first name or last name smile a lot talk easily to strangers sharing personal stories ASKS HOW ARE YOU AS A GREETING NOT A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR HEALTH
THEIR HANDS ON THEIR OWN HIPS MEANS THEY FEEL RELAXED usually
WHEN THEY FOLD THEIR ARMS TIGHTLY ACROSS THEIR CHESTS THEY FEEL ANGRY OR VERY SERIOUS OR COLD
DON’T PUSH OR STAND CLOSE TO ANYONE IN LINE THEY ALWAYS WAIT THEIR TURN
IN A RESTAURANT THE AMERICAN SERVER IS USUALLY FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL
AND OFTEN WILL TELL YOU HIS OR HER NAME
WHEN THE SERVICE IS GOOD TIPPING IS EXPECTED TO BE 15 OF THE BILL
POLITE AMERICANS EAT WITH THEIR ONE HAND WHILE THE OTHER ONE IS UNDER THE TABLE on their laps
USUALLY WHEN FRIENDS MEET IN A RESTAURANT THEY EACH PAY THEIR SHARE OF THE BILL OR SPLIT THE BILL IN HALF ITS CALLED GOING DUTCH
IF YOU HAVE GUESTS OVER TO YOUR HOUSE TURN OFF THE TELEVISION MAKE SURE YOUR MUSIC ISN’T TOO LOUD
AMERICANS HAVE PARTIES FOR MANY REASONS Sometimes they are held for friends to get together and to meet new people THERE IS RARELY MUSIC OR DANCING AT A TYPICAL AMERICAN PARTY
WHEN YOU MEET AMERICANS BE SURE TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYE SMILE AND SHAKE HANDS
MAKE SMALL TALK AT THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION after a few questions YOU WILL BE ASKED”WHAT DO YOU DO?”(THIS MEANS WHAT IS YOUR JOB?)
AMERICANS OPEN CARDS AND PRESENTS IN FRONT OF PEOPLE
BE SURE YOU INCLUDE A CARD WITH YOUR GIFT the person given the gift will send you a thank you card
AT AN AMERICAN FUNERAL IT IS NOT NORMAL TO MAKE LOUD SAD SOUNDS.AMERICANS TRY TO KEEP STRONG EMOTIONS INSIDE
THERE’S NO TRADITIONAL COLOUR OR FLOWER THAT SYMBOLISES DEATH ANY AND ALL FLOWERS CAN BE USED AT FUNERALS
FOR WEDDINGS AND SHOWERS PEOPLE REGISTER FOR GIFTS AT A SPECIFIC PLACE
WE DO NEED GIVEN MONEY AT A FUNERAL SOMETIMES WE SENDS FLOWERS OR PLANTS TO THE CEREMONY
NEVER ASK AMERICANS A DIRECT QUESTION ABOUT THEIR RELIGION,SALARY ,MONEY,AGE,WEIGHT OR DRESS/SUIT SIZE
DO NOT MAKE ANY RACIST OR NEGATIVE REMARKS ABOUT SOMEONE’S FAMILY BACKGROUND, RELIGION OR SEXUAL PREFERENCES
MEN SHOULD NOT MAKE ANY SEXIST REMARKS TO OR ABOUT WOMEN
ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE WOMEN UNEQUAL TO MEN
AMERICANS SAY THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS BUT SOMETIMES THEY DO it’s best to just LISTEN FIRST TO SEE THE OTHER PERSONS POINT OF VIEW before you let them know your thoughts
NEVER GO TO SOMEONES HOUSE WITHOUT CALLING FIRST TO SEE IF IT’S CONVENIENT
IF YOU ARE INVITED TO AN AMERICAN PARTY do not bring your children friends or family members without first asking THE PERMISSION OF THE HOST
TIME IS MONEY NEVER BE LATE TO CLASSES EMPLOYMENT INTERVIEWS APPOINTMENTS PARTIES ESPECIALLY AT YOUR WEDDING!
SOME AMERCIANS HUG A LOT IT IS OKAY FOR WOMEN AND MEN TO HUG EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS
IT IS NORMAL FOR AMERICAN WOMEN TO HAVE MALE FRIENDS WHO ARE JUST FRIENDS AND AMERICAN MEN TO HAVE FEMALE FRIENDS WHO ARE JUST
FRIENDS
NOT UNCOMMON FOR AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN TO SHARE AN APARTMENT AS ROOMMATES AND NOT HAVE A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER
MOST AMERICAN WOMEN DO NOT LIKE POSSESSIVE OR JEALOUS MEN
MOST AMERICAN WOMEN DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THE MAN TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME
normal for AMERICAN children to have very messy rooms
AMERICAN parents encourage their children to question and always ask “WHY?”
AMERICAN PARENT’S SPEAK TO THEIR CHILDREN AS ADULTS and teach them how to be responsible for their actions
BE CAREFUL MEET NEW FRIENDS IN A PUBLIC PLACE MANY TIMES BEFORE YOU GET INTO A CAR OR GIVE OUT YOUR ADDRESS
COMMON FOR YOUNG AMERICANS TO CARRY SECURITY BLANKETS or a STUFFED TOY
AMERICANS DO NOT HIT THEIR CHILDREN BUT DISCIPLINE THEM BY TAKING THINGS AWAY
AMERICAN MEN TRY TO SHARE EQUALLY WITH THEIR WIVES IN PARENTING AND HOUSEWORK
AMERICANS HIRE “BABYSITTERS” TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY GO OUT OR ARE AT WORK
AMERICANS LOVE THEIR PETS SOMETIMES MORE THAN THEY LOVE PEOPLE
MAJORITY OF OLDER AMERICANS PREFER TO LIVE IN RETIREMENT HOMES for independent live rather than to live with their grown children
AMERICANS ADMIRE YOUTH AND OFTEN WORK past age 65 and or go back to school
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AGAINST THE LAW ANYONE
it is ILLEGAL TO HIT ANYONE A SPOUSE A PARENT A CHILD AND EVEN A PET
TWISTED PERSONA IS THE COMIC CHANNEL NAME OF
A MIRACULOUS DATE COMIC
MIRACULOUS SHRUNK CHINESE GIRL GIANT FRENCH BOY
COMICS OF HUGE BUY TINY GIRL DATE
HANDSOME MODEL IS SECRETLY A LEATHER SUIT CAT HERO WITH BAD LUCK POWER
CHINESE GIRL IS MIDDLE CLASS IN LOVE WITH A RICH HANDSOME HOME SCHOOLED MODEL WITH A BODYGUARD AND A FASHION DESIGHNER FOR A FATHER
Worst Chinese female rivals hairstyle? Exactly
Children girls hanfu Chinese folk dance costumes hair accessories headdress fairy
princess anime drama photos cosplay clip
Wholesale dance dress
Max the know better says: I don’t see any difference betwixt me with my God-belief (besides organised religion) and belief in industry, and the stage blue level. There’s no such thing as a difference, red and blue are the same colour because they’re both deep and rich in similar ways, you can even get a warm blue, as my clothes often are. But spiral dynamics ain’t no colour, it’s not tangible, you can’t see it (oh yeah I’m in Tangent Avenue), you can only see groups of people. Since then, everything is itself outside of its own self, and is part of the social conditions, there’s no differences, the reasoning, self-knowledge, moral values and intentions all belong in a group. You’re not newly inventing things, therefore as a stage blue master I experienced religion and morality and authority to rule, and kinghood and I think I know how stage blue works. Then the next day I could be out of Tangent Avenue and I’m back to where I started.
Max the know better says: Long story short, I’m rigid, tat is I always do the same ting, but I did make some changes, as blue I am I read the Bible, and atheists don’t take that stuff seriously, they will destroy you.
Jim says: Thanks for this Leo.
This is the first I’ve heard of Spiral Dynamics and this just explains so much!
I’ve been listening to your videos while doing office work and have grown to respect your knowledge and wisdom.
Wisdom is normally for old duffers like me but I suspect you’ve earned yours through hard work.
And the messaging you’re sending out to today’s youth is vital!
Keep up the great work. You ARE appreciated!
Maxiwrong says: Always doing the same thing, however I’m thoroughly blue and for the time being I stopped watching the videos, I’m highly conscious and I try cherrypicked videos for size, in distinguishing between paper and food, I’m much more conscious, I’m doing my homework assignment of 50 things over the week of what things literally are. The truth is a thing is literally a real live object and not the things it represents, that’s Leo reading the Collins dictionary, my life’s very hectic and as for slowing down, I’m sitting on the fence. I’m moral, religious, and love kings, that’s blue in its excesses, I’m relying on the Lord for everything, I don’t care about the world, I only care about religion, money & wine, given that religious people are good, I’m giving religion the benefit of the doubt, assuming that God is light, and all that jazz. Do people think I’m a liar? It’s the 8th of September and I learned a few things, I know the things I talk about, I know all this stuff because it’s in my memory, what I learned is some sort of changing of my survival, like my fears and insecurities. As for being wrong, I’m not wrong, I’m correct how conscious I am. Not everything is imaginary, there’s no equator, it’s just your imagination. Telling me life’s imaginary, that’s a lie! This is the real world, getting killed in the process. If you’re stage blue, you would understand my moral behaviour, it’s not a simple thing, these teachings are hard, that doesn’t mean I’m ignorant about them, equally it’s a struggle deciphering these teachings.