Grasping The Illusory Nature Of Thought
By Leo Gura - May 9, 2016 | 55 Comments
What are thoughts?
If only for being able to talk into a camera for 50 minutes with no scene changes and being able to keep it interesting.
Since learning about your videos I have committed myself to a better approach to my spiritual leaning (and learning). I started meditating about a year ago, and I am up to about 30 minutes in the morning, so learning of your material has been synchronous.
I turn 40 next month, and I am setting a goal of 20 years (60) to reach what your preach. I’ve seen about 3 of your videos and am subscribed to your newsletter. Digging your content and your approach/style. Please do continue the greatness.
Your videos keep on getting more and more profound and more aligned with reality as time passes. I am grateful to your work.
I have a question on meditation. I have reached an advanced stage in meditation as described in your ‘How to meditate deeper’ episode. While the effects of meditation have been highly productive for me, namely seeing more and more insights about my life, noting my own thoughts, relaxed state of mind, the backfiring of meditation has also been prominent. I have times when I feel very calm during and after meditation for days together, there have also been times when I have felt utterly disgusted and horrid and chaotic for weeks on end. Should I continue with meditatating? If so, why?
Fascinating video. I’ve always had an issue with fixations, especially ones of attachment and intimate relationships. I don’t stress too much during them but when they end it’s like my life has been ripped apart and then my thoughts turn to endless rumination, rehearsal and suffering. I have poor psychology regarding that and I’ve been reinforcing it for years. Only recently have I admitted to this and have been going to therapy to help deal with it.
Generally, I’ve been looking for a way for years to minimise the suffering of these thoughts, without fully understanding the root cause. This video should go a long way to helping me gain control over my thoughts. But I know it will take sustained practice and effort over time. I’m going to try to keep flattening the illusion and I really hope it starts to break away the suffering, bit by bit. Also started a meditation routine for the last week and hope to keep it going, 20 mins a day, every day.
Can you do something on aging… How to feel like you can still have a good life after youth is gone. I can’t stop fearing old age.
wow you speak russian thats awesome
I think leo was born in Russia , and anyway he is awesome !
Leo is this right were you born in Russia ?
Great video about moving out of an augmented reality. Thanks again for sharing. Your videos continue to become more practical. Look forward to them every week.
i believe thoughts are a response of memory and accumulated experiences. so thoughts are kind of stored matter in the brain physically. so when a thought comes up it is obviously of the past, and it is old and can never be alive new fresh and creative. but i don’t agree with what you say about practice and skill development at this area, i believe realization and understanding is prior to that.
Shuffling Thank with Fuck we get –
Fuck you leo , Fuck you so much
Take us deep , we do love all this profound things .
I am so glad that I have access to your videos, they really have potential to change life radically .
Keep it up and fuck you once again
Hehe I am in London. So i strolled on in to the toilets and bumped in to sirDr.Martin Seligman …my bad! Seminar now, god Damn! lol
Leo,
I’ve watched many of your videos, and I found them to be fairly ok. But this particular one is by far the best, at least for me. The timing was also right on because I’ve spent the last year practicing daily mindfulness, and am now wondering what I can do with it. And I’ve been looking for a way to lighten things up in my life. I get so bogged down in the realness of life and I really feel these exercises – and your explanations – will really help me to start building some momentum in my growth.
Thank you for that,
Sean
Also as well as being at his seminar Leo, I watched half you’re video earlier..so awesome! I love your stuff..I always custom Taylor and kinda listen to myself and what I want, you’re videos are a great advantage to help me with that, my own non profit buddy business organisation Campbuddy.org now starting up now, so I wanna thank you. I have had discussions regarding you with properly over 32 people or so now from different places here in England and I recomend ya! I give them a lil note saying (Actualized.org) bit tell them not importantly to trust themselves but take the goog good good advice too peace! I am 19 years old
This is incredible
When I was meditating yesterday, I heard a dog bark somewhere in the background. I had this thought that I heard a dog. What it literally was, was an image of a dog and a voice in my head saying: “It’s probably a dog”. I wrote this down after the meditation session.
Now, shortly after becoming aware of the nature of this thought, it struck me that in this case the content of the thought caused it to pop up in my mind. I mean that when I perceived the barking, this got translated in my head as the aforementioned thought.
I was wondering as to what your views are on this, namely that meaning gets put into thoughts, and maybe not vice-versa. Thanks in advance, Leo.
Ben
Ben,
Sounds like you are progressing in your contemplative practice. Keep working on your concentration and soon you should be able to have a direct consciousness of even more detail of the way the mind picks out a conditioned/cognized label for an object, post sense contact. If you are fortunate, there will be an awareness of discrete steps of conditionality.
The brain has to pick out some symbol to pair up with the sensory event. With adequate concentration, this can be witnessed. But not likely if “You” are trying to do anything during the meditation.
-Brett
Tkanks Brett and Leo! I will definitely continue practising my awareness of thoughts.
Giving 3 examples is a nice template for how I can approach the exercise. I’m really looking forward to flattening 50 thoughts. I’m from the UK like my friend Mr Gleeson so lets swap the ‘th’ for an ‘f’ and call this the Triple F exercise. Nice one Bruv.
It sounds so simple… to perceive something for what it really is, rather than the elaborate web of emotional thought and idea’s we attach to a situation. I am a working progress… But totally see the freedom of anxiety this could bring my life.
Thanks Leo
I was just interviewing somebody and in the beginning of the interview I felt insecure about looking the person in the eyes.
I want to write down the thought that preceded this insecurity, but I am having difficulty finding it. I find that the content of the insecure feeling exists in thoughts, but the thought that preceded the insecure feeling, I can’t find.
Litteraly I felt butterflies in my stomach, an uneasy feeling and warmth in my face and I thougt, “why do I feel insecure?”.
Do you have any tips for finding the thought preceding the emotion? Thanks!
Hello Leo. When you break down shyness in the story and the pictures. Is it not so that you can break down those pictures the words of the story also?
Hey Leo, I’m very interested in languages, but I find that it is very difficult for me to master new alphabets. I’m trying to learn the Greek alphabet, but it seems to me that my mind is so inveterably disposed to the Latin alphabet that it it is very difficult to interpret the Greek alphabet without judging it and comparing it to the Latin alphabet. Do you think this problem would be solved if I practice viewing all letters as arbitrary symbols? I just thought that you, knowing both the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets, would be able to help.
I find you so intriguing but at the same time so simple. Thanks leo
A thought … How truly insignificant and meaningless … Just (just) a moment of egoic perception … of WHAT ? Certainly not Conscious Awareness (or is it) … It’s nothing … It’s everything …
WHERE does the thought actually come from ? WHAT is it’s SOURCE ? And the BIG question LEO, WHERE does it GO when the moment is gone ???
WHERE does it go ??? Peaceful is the _____ who KNOWS a thought is nothing …
Yep … That’s a thought too … Going mad …
Hey, this is Lei. I noticed that every Youtube videos from u viewed more than hundreds thousand times, which is pretty good. Actually, if u make a subtitle for each video and upload on a Chinese website, I believe this number would be increased by two or more zero behind.
Leo, think about it, I can help you to promote, there is a huge market there. As I feel my English has been improved quite a lot by watching your free videos, people from my home country can also feel the same way that being enlightened and more confidence to go outside and hug the rest part of the world.
Very powerful video, surely I follow you. Thank you Leo.
Great stuff
Am I correct in thinking that this and a lot of other self development excercises are about getting rid of emotions?
The thing is, I’m already pretty flat when it comes to emotions so that I’m actually trying to improve how I express myself emotionally… and this makes me think if that is actually counter productive.
This video is so intense I am having to watch it for the second time.
Hi, I have found this video very helpful as I am an overly sensitive person.
My thought play tricks on me and I allow to much emotion towards the thought. This process of flatting has been very difficult to learn I must say. I also meditate to try to control the thoughts, or illusions of the thoughts. I very much enjoy the information that you provide and you are right no one does teach this to you in your younger year. Thanks Leo !!
Amazing and mind blowing as always… Just one thing is mising for me in the video: I realize that thoughts are not the real thing and the problem with some of them, but most of them are still very usefull for everyday life! Isn’t them? They help me with my work, my relationships and I can’t realy function without them. For example: I have a meeting tomorrow at 09 0 AM, therfore I take the relevant actions in the real world to get on time. what about these kind of thoughts?
Thank you Leo, for all and each video that you have done, they are very useful and full of insights, and very inspiring.
Here is a quote from Arya Nagarjuna
The phenomena that appears to the mental consciousness, the chief of them all,
are conceptualised and then superimposed.
When this activity in abandoned, phenomena’s lack of self-essence is known.
Knowing this, meditate on Dharmadhatu.
Thank you!
Leo…
Thank u
Thank you so much, Leo! You have really helped me put things in perspective and I have only just begun watching your videos.
Hi Leo
I am not able to quite understand what does flattening the illusion means?
When you asked to think about Mom, first thing that came to my head was her image in my head. So does flattening means I fix in my head that actually when someone says a word My Mom immediately I have an image of her in my head and it’s not real since its just an image of her that I imagine.
Similarly, when you asked to think about God, the first thought came in my head I have no image of God but Ramana Mahrishi is the closest person whom I can consider God. Then I had his image in my head and then as the part of Flattening the image I thought “With the word GOD I have an image in my head which is of Ramana but its just something I have imagined.
Is this flattening? Reminding yourself that with words you have an image that comes to the head. And these images aren’t real but something created in your head.
Thanks
Ela
I think without a million dollars it’s just trash with no truth and no reality for poor people when the reality is I only have a hundred dollars, I don’t have $40,000.
Poor people know no truth, my real beliefs is money, if I flatten the illusion I have little money, I’m buying cheap things (a dollar in my day used to be a lot of money), saving up, continuously buying the same food to have a long-lasting supply of it, trying British tartare sauce and having ice cream with sprinkles.
Given I made up for myself a healthy diet, my diet has changed to AI-driven eating and eating habits, as said about above ice cream, and also I eat frozen fruit instead, I will choose a tartare sauce, regardless of its being British, that’s real tartare sauce, but it’s the Praise tartare sauce overall I trust. Even though my life’s simple I can be specific about the content but there’s uncountable amounts of different things I do in my life. Do you think you know what my culture is? No one thinks that, they don’t know what it is, what it contains, how it’s done or how it’s not done, or any of the foods I eat, flattening the illusion it’s just an obscure bunch of stuff I do, people suffer from the illsuion of its meaning, that I must be an evildoer, but everything I do is as good and innocent as tartare sauce, it’s done as if it was morally based, based on what I can do and so there’s a, I dare say, vicious cycle, as reverting back to the same problems, something that starts off innocent then if I keep pushing it people get fed up with it, do you realise it does nothing if you didn’t exist? What I do after all, means nothing to an animal, it doesn’t see me as “the wrong thing”, or “evil”, that’s a meaning people have and for the first time I was always the kind of guy who hated some people, things and circumstances, I was always made uneasy, upset, and that happiness I once had, people upset me all ruining it. I’m not a thing as you think, I’m just a person like you, living my day-to-day life and maintaining consistency, regularity, I suffer the same problems, but also other people’s problems which isn’t so average, and treats me like an evil, distinct person, that’s not my problem, it only dissolves like acid if they’re out of my life, me bonding with my real friends, people who don’t make seal noises being upset constantly every time I do some of the things I do, they can’t bloody well put up with it! I just keep on, I continue, and the whole thing can go on for years and years and still I’m doing it, I’m not the one with mental illness, you have a problem with me and you don’t like me, some irrational thing is some chemical reaction in your brain making you scared, fucked in the head, you get trauma over things that weren’t intended to cause suffering, wow, now we see that acting merely from good intentions isn’t enough, you’re like this when I’m not normal, you have chemicals in your brain that don’t function properly, if it’s too distinctive, individual, strange or weird, you get fucked up, that’s why you’re sick in the fucking head!
Leo’s telling the truth? If he was Theramintrees he wouldn’t call it the truth but stories, nothing fools an atheist, they know all the holy bullshit, all the religious tricks, how do I know Leo’s telling the truth, and not just making a false photo to make it appear true? I can’t believe religious stories other than the story of the poet sleeping at night, despising all men and living aesthetically, that means the aesthetic life’s true, the story isn’t a story. How do I know that picture of a spider isn’t photoshopped? Fuck off! The teachings are plagiarisms of folk tales changed from the truth, it’s not anything new Leo’s teaching, somebody’s telling stories. The story of a cuckoo in a sparrow’s nest, fuck off, it’s a false photo, photoshopped, it’s therefore not the truth and Leo doesn’t tell “the truth”, I can’t believe that shit, it’s practical, that doesn’t mean it’s true, fuck off! I’d rather take magazine cutouts of biscuits with me than believe these lies, most of the religions are lying, plus Leo clings to God, and logic, Leo’s the devil, he doesn’t practise what he preaches, fuck all this, I’d rather be ignorant and unlearned and take wisdom from Kierkegaard than from a criminal, I don’t follow religion from fucking criminals, my life will be better if I was told the truth, without the lies, without old wives’ tales, without traditions, it’s dead beliefs and you think you’re alive.
I’m back from 7 months later and no longer a troll, I think the above is a “troll” post, to insult what the hell ever! But now that I’m 100% grade A humiliation, and I know I’ve been a troll, well done on distinction between frigging paper, and some snacks for your mountaineering, that really gives me an O mouth in disdain how naive a man can be, too bad this I’m saying now isn’t written on my phone, you yourselves must be fools following almost everything Leo says, I know Leo’s survival tactics to change my “life”, And I can tell you now it’s not pretty, that doesn’t mean I’m hate-watching his content and not going to do it, I’m hate-watching his content and going to do it, I’m not mentally lazy. Furthermore of the vile lifelessness of the teachings (not meaning to troll), I’ll do it, I’ll send a donation to his cause for $3 to support this website, and incase you’re so stupid that you don’t know, I’ve followed a lot of his teachings, eating right with the right psychology almost all the time (I did my research, dark leafy greens, light sauces, hardly any meat, dark-leafy-green salad either of spinach, silverbeet, or kale dressed in vinegar and sunflower oil with seasonings, broccoli fries (there’s no cauliflower fries anymore) with godforsaken Italian tomato sauce, or, preferably, spicy red sauce, pears, walnuts, healthy dips, protein bars, etc, etc), my “diet” wasn’t a diet to begin with when I dropped the iron man diet, no longer on an iron man diet, this not-diet became a diet when I found bread rolls and sandwiches made from them, and regularly eating kale, silverbeet or spinach with my vegetables at teatime, and eating on regular basis sunflower oil in food and fried foods is a diet.