Quantum Mechanics Debunks Materialism - Part 2

Martin says:

“(…)The world is to be understood, not in the dualistic terms of atoms (things of one kind) that move in the framework and container of space and time (another quite different kind of thing), but in terms of more fundamental entities that fuse space and matter into single notion of a possible arrangement, or configuration, of the entire universe(…)
Space and time in their previous role as the stage of the world are redundant. There is no container. The world does not contain things, it is things. These things are Nows that, so to speak, hover in nothing. Newtonian physics, Einstein’s relativity and quantum mechanics will all be seen to do different things with the Nows(…)”

from Julian Barbour’s ‘The end of time – The next revolution in physics’ – the must read book

michael abitbol says:

excellent man, you’re putting out great shit

Vik says:

Namaste Leo Gura
At the age of 16 (circa 1975) a friend and I awakened in a series of conversations and the implications have weighed upon us ever since. My tech career is complete and I have retired to full time contemplation. I came across your work and am stunned by your progress in non-duality. I am delighted with the correlation of mysticism and physics. Like myself you are unable to escape the dualistic distinctions in presenting the ineffable. “We cannot talk about the fundamental aspects of reality without contradiction ourselves” (but yet we just did; but yet we understand being caught in the logical loop). “Paradox is not a bug it’s a feature”. The distinction between dualism and non-dualism is itself an example of dualism and we cannot escape this logical loop. The only path to the equivalence of self and universe is to begin with such a distinction in the first place. We understand the semantic impossibility of expressing non-dualism directly. Of particular appeal is the correspondence of QM interpretations with experience in general. The quest for the theory of everything leads to the mystical ontology you present. It has been my life passion to reconcile the mystical experience with science, philosophy, and theology. My experience of unity denies such compartmentalized view of reality. I have a great deal to add to your conversation. I am willing to donate some of my research to your effort. Perhaps you would consider a brief essay contribution. Example topics: Physics as mindcraft. What your math teacher didn’t tell you. Cognitive evolution. The mystique of empirical science. Circles in epistemology. Or whatever topic you would find useful to the research at hand. Consider this offer prayerfully. Vik.

Outlandish says:

This is excellent, I can’t begin to imagine how many hours of research went into this presentation. The epic quote from Albert Einstein was literally jaw-dropping for me, and I was especially excited to hear David Bohm quoted, whose writing I’ve found to be very profound and mind-expanding.

Unfortunately my mp3 player choked on the file around 1hr so I have to stream the remainder from video at some later time to complete this.

Question for Leo: did you keep a list of references for these quotes? I would be interested to read the sources of some of these, in particular the work that the Einstein one came from.

John Quelch says:

I have looked for years for such an accessible, coherent and comprehensive, non dual perspective on Quantum physics. Your brilliant synthesis here, Leo, is simply stunning. It is almost earth shattering in its impact. I had to laugh though as you stumbled through some of those long winded ‘fathers’. All power to you Leo, your enlightenment work has renewed the hope and enthusiasm of this old boy who has struggled for decades with this whole non dual reality. You’ve helped more than you’ll ever know to renew the quest. I suspect I’ll never be able to fully repay you. Thank you

Max Gron says:

I can’t believe in any mysticism, spirituality (as spirit outside of religion), or faith (belief held with strong conviction, especially without proof), or any of the mythological stuff, it’s nonsense. This is an eccentric reality and I was never introduced to such a weird, unfamiliar reality. I tried the experiment with individualism, and it’s spooky, it changes how I see the world, and what I learned is that reality is just a mundane, ordinary existence, constructed by my thoughts of myself and experiences, since I’m not an anti-realist and refuse to think “reality” is all imaginary, that that’s all that there is, no, reality’s not like that, matter exists, it’s just that the only way to know an object is from direct knowledge of ideas and sensations and not abstractions such as matter, and that ideas can be perceived for their very existence. Reality is only a specific imagination, there’s a difference between what you call “reality” and what’s the unreality, reality is the external subject conceived of, it’s your imagination but it’s real existence and it’s not just subjectivity even though it’s not objective, that’s my discovery. Reality and real things aren’t a concept or idea inside your head, but are real, whether you believe it or not, and is capable of being outside of your mind and even not in your imagination, that’s why I reject anti-realism, matter is real, it exists. Exist means to be, have being, or be found and occur, or live, or survive, therefore things exist. Reality isn’t one, you exist, we’re not one, we’re billions, reality isn’t infinite, it’s not paradox, it’s not irrational or illogical, it’s not necessarily an experience, it’s not reflections to study what the truth is, reality is discovered simply by seeing it, knowing and understanding it and accepting it for what it is, not these lies Leo believes in, it’s a fantasy world, it’s not reality, I’m afraid to say this but Leo is wrong, he’s delusional, I refuse to believe in Leo, I refuse to accept any of this as the truth, I only accept the quantum mechanics and not his spin on it, it’s science, Leo’s interpretation of science, which is an abuse, is pseudoscience. Wake up and face reality, now I see that people are full of shit.

Max Gron says:

How can I be such a fool as to believe this incomprehensible gobbledigook about God? That you can’t symbolise it? If you can’t symbolise it, if it’s nothing, literally nothing, then it’s nothing, it’s not even God, and therefore it doesn’t exist. God is a man that exists, I believe he literally exists, he’s found and occurs. Leo’s work doesn’t work therefore it’s not true, nothing he says is true because it’s not my beliefs, truth is only belief, beliefs are what’s true, if it’s not my beliefs, it’s not true, because if you can’t recognise it as true there’s no reason to call it as the truth. You don’t tell the truth, it’s not even belief. I only believe in belief. It’s simple, truth is what I think, it’s not what anything or your finger is pointing to, it’s existence whether it’s pointed to or not, and if you point to it you’re probably pointing to lies and falsehood. I’ll apply this quantum mechanics but I refuse to accept as true what Leo points to, reality isn’t pointed to, reality doesn’t conform to what you say or tell me I should believe, reality is only what I think, reality is old-fashioned, reality is the Christian God and what I see based on the Bible, it’s king’s rule, it’s what works, it’s ideas and sensations you know directly without knowledge of matter and it’s ideas, it’s individualism, it’s anti-Australianism, it’s imperfection, it’s aesthetically the despising of men and avenging myself upon them together with lack of need for endurance of life and the love of certain things with Biblical reading and thinking of God, it’s authenticity and it’s Christology, that’s all that reality is, it’s not anything remotely different from any of these eleven beliefs.